host: thomas schatz, with citizens against government waste. when you look at the fiscal cliff deal, what do you consider to be pork? guest: these are really corporate welfare or special interest provisions, money for the tv and film industry, motorsports, motorcycles, three- wheeled vehicles. lots of very specific projects, programs, industries. by doing that, it makes it harder to lower overall tax rates because these cost money. host: here is the headline from "the washington post." it says, "by now we have heard about all the big stuff, but congress also managed to include all sorts of corporate tax breaks, other arcane provisions come into the final bill, everything from electric scooters, nascar racetracks."